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Wednesday, June 14, 2006


This is what the British Army has to say about it. I think most of it has come out in the comments on the previous post, possibly with the exception of the bit about military law:

The Army is, of necessity, an hierarchical institution, which must be structured in peace as it is for war if it is to be trained and ready to deploy at short notice on operations. To be effective on those operations, the Army must then act as a disciplined force. Commanders must be certain that their orders will be carried out, and everybody must be confident that they will not be let down by their comrades. Lives may depend on it, as may the success of the mission. Good discipline also helps to conquer fear. The best discipline - which the Army expects from every soldier -is self-discipline. This comes from a sense of commitment and loyalty, and a readiness to put the needs of others, and of the mission, ahead of self-interest. For example, to keep on fighting when in danger or isolated, to stay alert on sentry when tired, cold or wet, and to keep going when frightened or exhausted.

Because discipline is so vital to success on operations, commanders must be able to enforce it when necessary. That requires clearly understood rules and a military legal system which can deal with offences such as absence, desertion or insubordination which are not found in civil law. And if it is to work in war, such a system must be in place in peace, for it cannot be turned on and off at will. Discipline must therefore be rigorously but fairly upheld by all those in positions of authority, and self-discipline must be deeply rooted.


Blogger tideliar said...

...makes sense. S'a bit more important if you're an hour late for a battle, than if I'm an hour late for lab meeting... :D

8:59 pm  
Blogger FOUR DINNERS said...

An ex Deepcut Officer at work thinks this'll work in civvy street. Do yer want him back? Please? Sooner or later....sooner actually, someones goin't chin him n the I'll have to defend them.

11:49 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mabe thay can jsut frag him instead 4d

3:48 am  
Blogger J.J said...

So very like the management structure where I am.

No, I can't lie to you. To be perfectly honest, the complete and utter opposite. S.W managers go for the 'empathetic' approach, whilst unscrupulous workers take the p**s.

7:51 am  
Blogger PI said...

I'm with the army.

7:18 pm  
Anonymous Grimmy said...

One way to put the necessity of military discipline into perspective is to consider it this way.

How much of a disciplinarian would you be if, in the conduct of your day to day life, you ran the risk of waking up with your throat cut... if the guy who's turn it was to stand watch, decided instead that he'd rather take a nap?

7:41 pm  
Blogger Mystic mog said...

Pull up a sandbag and I'll tell you a war story! - I was passing through the Depot in the early 70's and en route out of the barracks happened to notice two new recruits ambling across the square hands in pockets, thumbs up bums and minds in neutral. In my best "Drill Course" trained voice I gathered them gently to my presence and enquired as to their scruffy idle persons - One of them said "If you shout at me again like that Sergeant - I'll buy myself out" That was when I finally realised that discipline, as we knew it had completely left the building
Mystic Mog

11:12 pm  

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